Wiki Tunnel Builder

[0brand]

Will be starting to create new tunnel pages as per:

Long Wiki Edits Thread

Patrick

I think users don’t like documentation for the thing they want to work on split among multiple pages. They want the exact thing they want to do all on one coherent page. This however would require a ton of new wiki templates which then get reused for the many combinations before/after Tor vs VPN vs proxy vs ssh. Perhaps not realistic? Too much work? That’s why above’s quote is stressed.

If you would like me to spend the time on this, i can do that. Might be worth it.

• Easier to follow instruction = Less support requests.
• Pages would be shorter. Maybe users would actually read the documentation?
  • Users might not even use a VPN? But not likely, it took me a while before I realized they were not required / not always necessary.

Needs to be done eventually why not start now?

Looks like this will be quite a bit of work so this thread will be used for keeping track of tunnel page/chapter/template creation. Otherwise this could get a little confusing.

Feel free to edit this post if anything needs to be added.

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New wiki

When templates are created they will be added under the corresponding pages. There may end up being more pages than what is listed. Once everything is in place the pages will be created. Will also have to fix any broken wiki links and maybe some of the high traffic forum links if needed. It might be worth it to fix as many forum links a possible so there are not more deprecated pages in the wiki

Tunnel-link before Tor.

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• VPN before Tor. ( User -> VPN -> Tor -> Internet )

  • Template:Tunnel_Introduction
  • Template:Tunnel_Introduction/Tunnel-link_before_Tor
  • Template:Tunel-link_Warnings/Common
  • Template:Tunnels/Challenges_in_Provider_Location_Selection

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• Proxy before Tor. ( User -> proxy -> Tor -> Internet )

  • Template:Tunnel_Introduction

  • Template:Tunnel_Introduction/Tunnel-link_before_Tor

  • Template:Tunnel-link_Warnings/Common

  • Template:Tunnels/Challenges_in_Provider_Location_Selection

    • Add content to page as per Patrick.

      Connections to proxies are unencrypted and therefore should not be used to hide Tor use. Proxies are a type of tunnel-links which are not VPNs or SSH. Proxies are ok for circumvention of censorship if that works for the user but are unsuitable for hiding Tor due to lack of encryption.

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• SSH before Tor .( User -> SSH -> Tor -> Internet )
  • Template:Tunnel_Introduction
  • Template:Tunnel_Introduction/Tunnel-link_before_Tor
  • Template:Tunnel-link_Warnings/Common
  • Template:Tunnels/Challenges_in_Provider_Location_Selection

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• JonDonym before Tor. ( User -> JonDonym -> Tor -> Internet )

  • Template:Tunnel_Introduction (Collapse)
  • Template:Tunnel_Introduction/Tunnel-link_before_Tor (Collapse)
  • Template:Tunnel-link_Warnings/Common (Collapse)

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• Lantern before Tor. ( User -> Lantern -> Tor -> Internet )
  • Template:Tunnel_Introduction (Collapse)
  • Template:Tunnel_Introduction/Tunnel-link_before_Tor (Collapse)
  • Template:Tunnel-link_Warnings/Common (Collapse)

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Tor before tunnel-link.

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• Tor before VPN. ( User -> Tor -> VPN -> Internet )

  • Template:Tunnel_Introduction
  • Template:Tunnel_Introduction/Tor_before_Tunnel-link
  • Template:Tunnel-link_Warnings/Common
  • Template:Tunnels/Challenges_in_Provider_Location_Selection

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• Tor before proxy. ( User -> Tor -> proxy -> Internet )

  • Template:Tunnel_Introduction
  • Template:Tunnel_Introduction/Tor_before_Tunnel-link
  • Template:Tunnel-link_Warnings/Common
  • Template:Tunnels/Challenges_in_Provider_Location_Selection

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• Tor before SSH. ( User -> Tor -> SSH -> Internet )

  • Template:Tunnel_Introduction
  • Template:Tunnel_Introduction/Tor_before_Tunnel-link
  • Template:Tunnel-link_Warnings/Common
  • Template:Tunnels/Challenges_in_Provider_Location_Selection

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• Tor before I2P. ( User -> Tor -> I2P -> Internet )

  • Template:Tunnel_Introduction (Collapse)
  • Template:Tunnel_Introduction/Tor_before_Tunnel-link (Collapse)
  • Template:Tunnel-link_Warnings/Common (Collapse)

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• Tor before JonDonym. ( User -> Tor -> JonDonym -> Internet )

  • Template:Tunnel_Introduction (Collapse)
  • Template:Tunnel_Introduction/Tor_before_Tunnel-link (Collapse)
  • Template:Tunnel-link_Warnings/Common (Collapse)

[0brand]

Created 2 templates.

Note: Template:Tunnel_Introduction should not be confused with Template:Tunnels_Introduction. The latter (currently used) Template will be removed when the new Tunnel pages are created.

• https://whonix.org/wiki/Template:Tunnel_Introduction

• https://whonix.org/wiki/Template:VPN_Warnings/Common

JonDonym and I2P pages will have the above templates collapsed.

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The templates are going to be used in many pages so they will have to use either VPN/proxy/SSH or tunnel-link naming convention.

Example:

User -> Tor -> VPN/proxy/SSH -> Internet

Or

User -> Tor -> tunnel-link -> Internet

Input on this? Better idea?

[Patrick]

0brand:

User -> Tor -> tunnel-link -> Internet

Better. Otherwise too many / which mean something else (sub page).

[0brand]

New templates:

• https://whonix.org/wiki/Template:Tunnel_Introduction/Tunnel-link_before_Tor
• https://whonix.org/wiki/Template:Tunnel_Introduction/Tor_before_Tunnel-link
• https://whonix.org/wiki/Template:Tunnels/Challenges_in_Provider_Location_Selection

[Patrick]

https://whonix.org/wiki/Template:VPN_Warnings/Common

Not VPN specific. Should apply to most combinations.

https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Template:Tunnel_Introduction/Tunnel-link_before_Tor

Proxies do not provide encryption and should not be used to hide Tor use. rewritten to just now Connections to proxies are unencrypted and therefore should not be used to hide Tor use. Proxies are a type of tunnel-links which are not VPNs or SSH. Proxies are ok for circumvention of censorship if that works for the user but are unsuitable for hiding Tor due to lack of encryption.. Could you please move to

• proxies before Tor, and
• introduction

?

Also do we mention the unencrypted nature of proxies for proxies before Tor results in them to make them unsuitable to hide Tor from destination websites also? For simple IP logging / IP detection they might work - unless they’re http(s) proxies send the "http forwarded for" header. (http forwarded for" header mentioned here https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Comparison_Of_Tor_with_CGI_Proxies,_Proxy_Chains,_and_VPN_Services but not well connected to other pages.) But for anyone doing package inspection a proxy before Tor doesn’t even hide Tor from destination websites.

[0brand]

No problem. Have this done a title later. Fixed the bad Template links. Not checking to make sure links are correct is a bad habit of mine. As I’m sure you already know.

[0brand]

Proxies do not provide encryption and should not be used to hide Tor use. rewritten to just now Connections to proxies are unencrypted and therefore should not be used to hide Tor use. Proxies are a type of tunnel-links which are not VPNs or SSH. Proxies are ok for circumvention of censorship if that works for the user but are unsuitable for hiding Tor due to lack of encryption. . Could you please move to

• proxies before Tor, and
• introduction

Moved content to Introduction.

• https://whonix.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Tunnel_Introduction&oldid=40614&diff=cur

Made a notation in Tunnel builder “Proxy before Tor” to add that connect. No suitable place to put it… yet .

Also do we mention the unencrypted nature of proxies for proxies before Tor results in them to make them unsuitable to hide Tor from destination websites also? For simple IP logging / IP detection they might work - unless they’re http(s) proxies send the "http forwarded for" header . ( http forwarded for" header mentioned here https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Comparison_Of_Tor_with_CGI_Proxies,_Proxy_Chains,_and_VPN_Services but not well connected to other pages.) But for anyone doing package inspection a proxy before Tor doesn’t even hide Tor from destination websites.

Could that table be made into a Template: and added to relevant proxy pages? And add warning:

…unencrypted nature of proxies for proxies before Tor results in them to make them unsuitable to hide Tor from destination websites also…

[Patrick]

0brand:

Could that table be made into a Template: and added to relevant proxy pages? And add warning:

Sure. Depends on how specific we make the text. If these works for both
proxy positions or just one position. (before or after Tor)

[0anon]

Proxies do not provide encryption and should not be used to hide Tor use. rewritten to just now Connections to proxies are unencrypted and therefore should not be used to hide Tor use. Proxies are a type of tunnel-links which are not VPNs or SSH. Proxies are ok for circumvention of censorship if that works for the user but are unsuitable for hiding Tor due to lack of encryption. . Could you please move to

• proxies before Tor

Also do we mention the unencrypted nature of proxies for proxies before Tor results in them to make them unsuitable to hide Tor from destination websites also? For simple IP logging / IP detection they might work - unless they’re http(s) proxies send the "http forwarded for" header .

Done.

https://www.whonix.org/w/index.php?title=Tunnels/Connecting_to_a_proxy_before_Tor&oldid=35486&diff=cur