Monero Integration in Whonix

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Not related to Monero.

Monero is not a mixer.

If you want news

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Is Monero added back to the default Whonix installs yet? Monero should come back into Whonix installation by default. Btc has no privacy protections in its transactions, it is as if using a clearnet browser, yet, electrum btc wallet is included in default installs. What a joke, seeing a btc wallet program inside a privacy-centric linux distro.

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No. And according to the last post change is planned.

Install from flatpak. Done.

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Where is this post?

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Note (1): Monero package is not yet verified on Flathub. In Whonix, as a security measure, only verified packages are allowed to be installed from Flathub when using Flatpak. Therefore, you won’t find Monero available for installation if you use flatpak in whonix by default.

To fix this you need to edit /etc/flatpak/remotes.d/flathub.flatpakrepo and change the Subset= from verified_floss to floss or to flathub (subset types can be found here)

So this will be kept happening until Monero fix their package on flathub.

Note (2): At the moment, Install monero package with flatpak using --user, not as system wide (without using --user), this is an issue of flatpak system side installation yet to be fixed inside whonix (need more relaxed restrictions) pointed here.

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  1. True. This is documented.

No need to edit any file. The command on how to do that is already documented in the wiki:
Monero Installation

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Feather Wallet, a Monero-only desktop wallet, got into the trixie-backportsrepo and is available for install via apt.

Would Whonix developers consider including Feather Wallet as installed programs for Whonix-18 and onwards? I remember the problem with MoneroGUI not being installed by default in Whonix-17 was the fact that it wasn’t in debian repos. Now that we have a reputable Monero wallet that’s being used by lots of people in the Monero community included in debian apt repos, perhaps it’s time to consider shipping Whonix-18 with Feather Wallet?

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Only Monero GUI Wallet is acceptable.

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Only Monero GUI Wallet is acceptable.

Why? What are the criteria that make "“only Monero GUI Wallet
acceptable”?

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Developed by the same project.

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Developed by the same project.

If this is one of the criteria for inclusion in WhonixOS by default,
why’s electrum bitcoin wallet shipped with Whonix-17? Electrum wallet
is not developed by the “bitcoin project” (ie, the bitcoin core devs).

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Not a choice made by me, but if it was up to me i would have removed it.

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Electrum wallet

Not a choice made by me, but if it was up to me i would have removed
it.

I mean, whose choice was/is this then? Keeping bitcoin (which has
horrible financial privacy!) electrum wallet (which isn’t developed
by bitcoin core devs, one of @nurmagoz 's opaque criteria for deciding
on whether a Monero wallet might be included by default or not).

It seems like there is a preferential treatment for bitcoin for some
reason, that is, keeping a bitcoin wallet (again, which is even hostile
to user’s financial privacy) in as part of the default suite of programs
offered by WhonixOS, meanwhile Monero (which protects the financial
privacy for all its users, by default) which has a perfectly fine wallet
that’s got into Debian apt repos, and /still/ getting rejected for
inclusion into WhonixOS.

Can @patrick chime in maybe? Because I don’t get much information from
the terse replies of @nurmagoz on this topic.

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  • electrum has a track record since 2011.

Alright. Feather wasn’t born last night either:

It is, imo, the second most popular desktop wallet in the Monero
community, and is being developed by a dev with a proven track record.

  • Whonix Default Application Policy

  • Backports

    • We don’t install anything by default from backports yet. And doing
      so would require APT pinning, but:

Kicksecure – 18 May 25
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Dev/APT Pinning

Why we should avoid Debian APT Pinning

OK.

TBH, it is just awfully awkward. Here are a list of things that are
awkward:

  • bitcoin is a crypto currency that has ZERO protections for financial
    privacy, yet a wallet for it is offered as a default suite of programs
    whonix ships with.

  • this thread’s title is Monero integration, yet there hasn’t been a
    Monero wallet shipped with Whonix since the Whonix-16 release? Not
    sure.

  • weird, opaque requirements for Monero wallet inclusion popping up one
    after another (as @nurmagoz saying only after I pull it out of him,
    “oh it must be developed by the core devs of XMR”), which, for some
    reason, bitcoin (a crypto currency with a default, HOSTILE
    posturing     on its users’ privacy) does not have to obey.

  • there is, now a pretty good, lightweight, easy to use Monero desktop
    wallet in Debian Repos (yes, backport), coming from a trusted dev in
    the Monero community – but this hits Whonix project’s “no-software
    from backports policy”

Here’s how the picture looks from outside: bitcoin (a privacy
hostile cryptocurrency) gets shipped with Whonix quite easy, no ifs,
no buts, goes through all the requirements of Whonix project like a hot
knife through butter. BUT, Monero, on the other hand, a cryptocurrency
that by default protects all its users’ financial privacy, has to jump
through hoops after hoops of some 186 bulletpoint chechlist, and have to
have 100+ messages on its forum thread discussing a non-existent
“integration” for it.

Not a good look. My two neros.