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Whonix host - nonfree blobs - firmware-linux-nonfree

project-philosophy
#1

The position on nonfree firmware and discussion of arguments can be found here:

Whonix host - nonfree blobs - firmware-linux-nonfree - technical discussion only
Whonix can become a distribution targeting first time Linux users?
usability, popularity vs security, Freedom Software purism
Whonix host operating system
Whonix Desktop Installer with Calamares - field report
#2

To me it seems obvious that if we want to ship a Whonix-Host we have to make sure it will support out of the box as many hardware configurations as possible. Like any modern linux-live does (see Ubuntu, Tails). Otherwise it is pointless.

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#3

No, what you are suggesting is pointless because you are preferring performance over security and programming ethics. The software shouldnt care about horrible hardware which doesnt accept the principles of the free software. Also we cant put users into the microscope of as 100% using shitty non-free/blobs, because for surely there is a percentage who want to put everything right even if its 1% and thats what we focus on and leading others to follow their example.

If we dont do that comfortability of insecurity&nonfree will always give relaxing feeling which shouldnt. And i like Debian philosophy which they care about the software and focus on it thats why their software always produced as free software and thats what our values should be.

anyone who want to use blobs he can do that manually to serve his needs.

#4

What I meant is that we should provide the same level of comfort and ease of use that provide Tails for instance, which runs out of the box on most hardware configurations at the best of my knowledge.

Impossible in a live environment.

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#5

True , simply not Whonix issue = So as Free distros like Debian.

But solution that might be in the middle for ONLY live versions which it can be a version without blobs and version with blobs and we let the users choose which one they are comfortable with. But we dont force them on having blobs into their version (which in case if there will be only one nasty version).

#6

Two separate downloadable versions are unlikely for a few reasons:

  • development resources are limited
  • minority interest in a freedom-only such a version
  • usability: more choices leads to more confusion

We don’t force anything on anyone. Whonix source code is free in price as well as in freedom. It’s an volunteer offer. Not a lawful prescription. Those who don’t like the final product can either any or multiple of the following:

  • software fork Whonix
  • create their own custom freedom-only Whonix builds from source code using a build parameter
  • do not use Whonix
  • use a different product

There will always be people who won’t like Whonix for whatever reason. Making everyone happy is impossible.

Edits by myself:

  • specify minority interest in freedom-only version
  • removed tangential relevance of XFCE vs KDE
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#7

Then no need for blobs and keep it free.

That rises the question: ALL whonix products going to have blobs or only whonix-host? meaning:

Whonix-Qubes
Whonix-KVM
Whonix-Host

all of these products going to have the same blobs? or just one or two… please explain more.

#8

My previous post edited by me just now.

Whonix-Host only.

There will be two new meta packages.

  • whonix-host-kvm-freedom (entirely Freedom Software)
  • whonix-host-kvm-nonfreedom (depending on nonfreedom firmware)

The exact package names are yet to be decided.

These packages will not installed inside VMs. Whonix-Host default download would be built the -nonfreedom version.

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#9

I see , since the main product of whonix is not going to be contaminated with dirty software than thats great. And thats alone is a choice users can decide if they want to run whonix in free VS nonfree environment.

#10

Edited my previous post. (The clarification inside () was actually swapped.) Now fixed.

#11