Connecting to Tor before a VPN (User → Tor → VPN → Internet) Issue can be far too hard to solve than calling it a documentation issue. Split to separate forum thread. I guess this forum thread is for actionable wiki edits only that don’t need too difficult research/testing.
i wasn’t sure if this was something that simply required an update in the docs or troubleshooting. i will experiment with it more over the next few days.
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That is far too much detail for the Whonix and Tor Limitations page: that page should [1] dispel user misconceptions, too high exceptions, too risky reliance. Explaining that in terms which sound understandable, conceivable (not being discarded as “conspiracy theory”).
For example:
OCSP (from user point of view: whatever that is), Retroactive availability, medium effort.
That’s not something:
- users can/should remember when reading that page
- actionable
- [1]
That is more interesting for researchers / developers.
My problem with that is that reviewing this would take away development time for more impactful things such as various security hardening recently. If I’d accept it on faith without review it would make the project look stupid if there were major discrepancies.
It would fit better in Internet Corporations and Privacy Concerns or Data Collection Techniques? That pages don’t have to be as thoroughly reviewed as maintained by torjunkie. What the https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Template:Maintainer is supposed to communicate is, that that page is the main responsibility of that maintainer. Therefore it does not have to be as thoroughly reviewed. It is more similar to a blog account on blogger.com such as somename.blogger.com. blogger.com isn’t the publisher. sommename is. blogger.com is just a platform.
Originally was:
To oversimplify it: Whonix is just a collection of configuration files and scripts.
Now over time changed to:
In simple terms, Whonix ™ is just a collection of configuration files and scripts.
Not sure that is very same meaning intended to community. Oversimplify is a valid word in dictionary.
“Whonix is just a collection of configuration files and scripts.” It’s not. There are too many configuration files and scripts. Realistically (almost) nobody will replicate all or most of what Whonix does one by one with configuration files and scripts. It would be silly to call Whonix "a collection of configuration files and scripts` and I have not seen that claim. Years ago Whonix became a Linux distribution. But for the sake of making that point it is useful to view it that way “Whonix is just a collection of configuration files and scripts.” The point I am trying to convene is that by adding more and more pre-configuration for anonymity/privacy/security and package selection it is still Debian based and while there are some bugs nothing major is breaking and nothing is deliberately freedom restricted.
This page title is too complex and cannot be easily posted in forums. Could you please move this page to give it a better page name?
https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Hosting_a_(private)_(obfuscated)_bridge_or_(exit)_relay
Fixed the title for you.
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new chapter:
Network, Browser and Website Fingerprint
updated chapter:
Tor Entry Guards - Whonix
Do we document somewhere “if you don’t have physical security (untrusted visitors) for your computer (hardware backdoor), then you’re considered compromised, software cannot help you”? If not, could you add this please?
new chapter:
Verifying Software Signatures
Expanded this chapter:
Placing Trust in Whonix
fix extra white space on all PDF embedded links is now fixed.
Wiki has a new minor feature. (ticket)
old version: Template:Reload Tor - Whonix
If you are using a terminal-only Whonix-Gateway ™, press on Expand on the right. [Expand]
new version: Template:Reload Tor - Whonix
If you are using a terminal-only Whonix-Gateway ™, click
HEREfor instructions.
HERE is a clickable button.
Could you please check/adjust the wording/style? When this matured, I can create a wiki template so this can be more easily used throughout the whole wiki.
updated the bitmessage page to inform readers that the bmg service at bitmessage.ch is terminated.
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Reading thru whonix. org/wiki/KVM, there’s the note:
„Read and apply the [Pre-Installation Security Advice](whonix. org/wiki/Pre_Install_Advice)“ which leads to an outdated page, which links to another page, but the Pre-Installation isn’t there either. As you’ve already covered here that some pages are outdated, a new guide from tempest would come in handy and/or update the wiki here.
Where I can imagine an own wiki page from tempest would be a good thing, as he walks thru all necessary steps from scratch to finish - maybe especially for new users.
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this will be coming. i’m converting chapters into wiki text at the moment.
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Wiki History what do you think? @HulaHoop
Also not sure we should go into privacy by policy based advice anyhow. Previous (existing point):
- Are outside Fourteen Eyes [archive] jurisdictions – especially the US jurisdiction (see footnote). [18]
Due to the US PATRIOT Act (especially p. 215ff) and the fourth amendment to the FISA Amendments Act it is possible for US authorities to eavesdrop on the communication of non US citizens without a warrant. According to the US authorities it is enough that the servers are located in the US.
Lots of countries have similar programs. It might be hard to find any that don’t have these. Seems pretty difficult to keep track and reason about since there are ~ 200 countries and hard to keep track about each of these.
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The fourteen eyes are irrelevant. Just because those governments share data with each other, doesn’t mean they’re going to force the email provider to.
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I think it’s worthless advice and we must only recommend things on a technical basis and assume if surveillance is possible then it is happening.
Offtopic: Is there a better looking vector icon for Thunderbird we can use? This one is absolutely hideous.
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OK. Edit rejected and other non-technical advice removed:
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FAQ was rebooted yet again.
Link to FAQ is now prominent on top of Whonix front page https://www.whonix.org
The goal of the FAQ is to summarize and explain Whonix in laymen terminology as much as possible. Role models are simple.wikipedia.org and ELIA5.
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