Yes I use windows 10 for gaming and entertainment. But I use Qubes for other things. My mother uses Qubes as her mainstay does that count? She is not even that computer literate which probably pisses off an inferiority complex nerd like yourself.
Au contraire. If grannies can expand the user base, that is better for all of us, since the population is only ~30K last time I looked. It also means grannie has taken her security to the next level, particularly if she properly compartmentalizes her activities (and uses Qubes-Whonix for activities requiring anonymity).
Anybody can use it. That’s the beauty of it.
Agreed.
I respond to people asking for opinions or help on the Qubes forums. I keep things simple and don’t respond to anything I haven’t experienced myself. and I dislike rude people who can dish it but can’t take it. I find that suspect. Patrick was afraid to troll me on the google mailing list too. no problem. Thats why i love that Qubes chose google. Keeps the trolls out!!
This is irrational. Provide evidence of these alleged, phantom posts you keep referring to - they are not yet in evidence, because they simply don’t exist.
Security and anonymity are two diff things.
Yes, as explained in our wiki.
Qubes was geared for home desktop users. Which a common daily task would be logging into personal accounts and keeping data. Hiding my location is something I have no need for.
‘Hiding my location is something I have not need for.’ You hold this false belief firmly, simply because you have not educated yourself - explaining your ill-informed statements on multiple forums and threads. For instance, if you bothered to consult the wiki:
Surveillance Capabilities - Whonix
The Importance of Anonymity
Internet Corporations and Privacy Concerns
And considered the information objectively, then you would quickly come to a different conclusion. If you know better, then you can choose to be a willing victim of surveillance capitalism, or someone who wants to protect their inalienable rights.
It has some minor benfits like avoiding someone targeting qubes users with bad updates form upstream source, but I always find whonix problematic when it comes to updating. This should be common sense and simple to understand. Unless of course you are trolling…
Because again, you didn’t consult the wiki, otherwise you would have run the following test and probably discovered you had poor Tor guards in operation.
Frequently Asked Questions - Whonix FAQ
The alternative explanation is v3 onions were spotty at that time, and you didn’t bother to enforce the fallback clearnet repos (now the default in Whonix again until OnionBalance comes to v3 onions and it is proven reliable for update/upgrade purposes).
Operating System Software and Updates
The explanation for why Whonix doesn’t have a canary is a poor one to me. And like I said, to claim laws are not same in certain countries but while at same time claiming US laws affect everywhere is contradictory. And I find having no canary suspect. If you don’t like that , that’s your problem. I explained other reasons why as well and you seem to have no retort to it. Except to troll my character which is typical troll behavior.
You state something assertively, without evidence or a strong rationale. On the other hand, I’ve used objective resources, feedback from the team, and the Whonix forums to write that entry.
Placing Trust in Whonix
You need to explain why Canary Watch is wrong in their reasoning, why the vast majority of companies don’t have a canary (including the likes of Debian - security aficionados), and provide a realistic scenario where Whonix can be backdoored via that method. Otherwise your rage is moot.
Security in general is hard. And anonymity is even harder especially if you want a life. For home desktop a more practical solution would be a good vpn. But you would have better anonymity using tails on disposable disk.
Wrong on VPNs - snake oil at best, since it relies on privacy by policy i.e. a promise. Plus helluva lot easier to monitor due to the limited number of servers in comparison to Tor.
Why does Whonix use Tor?
Wrong on TAILS. If you use TAILS, then you do not have a persistent set of guards, and research has shown that makes deanonymization easier for adversaries if you do this from one set location. Do your homework before giving incorrect advice on Qubes and other forums.
Anonymity Operating System Comparison - Whonix vs Tails vs Tor Browser Bundle
In the main, if you are trying to foil corporate surveillance capitalists, and run-of-the-mill passive surveillance then Tor is fine. However, if you are under targeted attack then you are screwed.
Frequently Asked Questions - Whonix FAQ
Anonymity loves company, because if more people use Tor and other anonymity measures, it becomes infeasible for TPTB to backdoor everyone. Also, if computers can be avoided for certain tasks, then I strongly recommend it to take government/corporate actors completely out of the equation.
An example of how tor is so dangerous to use is how many MITM attempts will be made against you when simply updating whonix, simply because you are using tor. Something I’ve learned when using it when Andrew Wong pointed it out to me. Patrick himself on the Qubes forums states he can’t account for security of tor node servers. Which lets face it are probably run by alot of shady people.
True - although the proportion of Slim Shady vs normal exit nodes is an unknown factor. But you didn’t have to ‘learn this from Andrew’. Instead, you could have just read the basic, introductory sections of the wiki.
Whonix and Tor Limitations
However, MITM attacks CAN be foiled by onions, but you knew that right?
http://www.dds6qkxpwdeubwucdiaord2xgbbeyds25rbsgr73tbfpqpt4a6vjwsyd.onion/wiki/Onionizing_Repositories#Introduction
Users who educate themselves also hear about traffic confirmation attacks, path selection attacks, circuit clogging attacks and so on - see the Tor website and associated research. Tor is not invincible, nor is any other software (or hardware) running out there.
Consider for example that your ‘grannie secure’ Qubes platform could be taken over by any advanced adversary capable of Spectre type attacks, for which no solutions currently exist. So what? You’ve raised the bar considerably in the process and limited the likelihood of successful attacks significantly.
Whonix uses the same principle (raising the bar) by separating the Tor process from workstation activities, and running them in separate VMs. On the other hand, people running Tor Browser on the host have no fallback after a successful attack.
You can either remain a fatalist, or become someone willing to stand up for your rights despite the hardware and software imperfections we will always live with.
Or how bout how you would be putting yourself on the governments radar and suspicion just for using it. I’m not even talking about the dark web… Which is a criminal barbarian haven you’d most likely become a victim of by visiting.
You seem to not have noticed that everyone is on the government radar these days, hence why they are collecting everything on everyone - meta-data laws, biometrics, all communications etc - all in breach of decades-long human right bills. The government is in breach of laws and you are apologizing for their behavior.
It is true that by remaining in a smaller subset, you gain more attention. But nobody ever said defending your rights would be easy. The blame could just as easily be placed on all those individuals out there who lamely give away their data with 50 pg ToS when they install Windows 10, and fail to use the Tor network and Libre software instead. That is, by not changing their lemming behavior in spite of the many intelligence and corporate disclosures, they imperil us all.
And the ‘dark web’ is a ‘criminal barbarian haven’. Sources?
Arguably, it is a blueprint for what the rest of the internet should be, in order to increase the security of browsing, file sharing, general communications and so on. That’s why the government lemmings hate it so much. Do your homework and read the research.
You are repeating yourself here. Yes its extremely hard. Everyone in the field knows that. You should probably just change your name to TorGroupie. Since you don’t really seem to have any experience with anything except trolling. You wouldn’t know if you were compromised if something crawled up your ass. I accept the fact I’m compromised. Joanna herself claims noone can tell if they are.
Agree that you’ll never know if you’re compromised by advanced adversaries. So what? Perhaps you haven’t heard of the lesser adversaries and corporate psychopaths. Security and anonymity is not a “all or nothing” proposition. Again, I can choose to do some things completely offline if I want to defend my rights at all measures - and I often do.
And Patrick isn’t emotional? He just told me to “FUCK OFF” lol.
Actually, I told you to ‘f**k off’ (in a moment of weakness) because I could see well in advance that you either had issues with simple reading comprehension, or were likely a clumsy concern troll.
Hes the typical linux snob. The type of elitist troll you find in a linux irc chatroom. The type to take the time to belittle me while at the same time hypocritically claiming he has no time to answer my question. He must of grew up and been raised by irc chatrooms. You can tell the difference with invisible things labs, and its one of the things I like about them.
Evidence is wanting. Sources?
And no wonder qubes-whonix left the project. I would of left too. Patrick seems to have other priorities then security and performance of Whonix. I bet with a little research on him I could figure out his other agendas easily. Come try me we can go there.
Wrong. Patrick’s strong preference is security and performance, hence why he wasn’t holding your hand in the original thread where you did nil research. He has more productive things to do.
https://phabricator.whonix.org
If you had bothered to learn about the project, then you would realize the number of contributors has increased in recent times.
https://whoni.org/wiki/Team
And yes, we welcome your devastating research into “Patrick’s agendas”.
And hey TorGroupie, why don’t you go “FUCK OFF” too. Try this one on for size. Tor is so painfully slow that If you are not fearing for your life or fearing imprisonment. You’re a selfish prick who might be getting someone else killed using its bandwidth…
Actually, I’m helping dissidents, people living under repressive regimes, the military, journalists, ‘grandma Qubes users’, spooks, the former cooloutAC when he wasn’t a pussy, and a range of others by providing covering network traffic. And similarly, they are helping me. Tor isn’t any good if the only ones using it are spooks for example.
If you read the research by the Tor co-founders, academics, or even the front page of the Tor website, then you’d know that anonymity loves company. A basic principle that is well-established in research.
Keep pretending you’re special by sticking it to the ad agencies. I do dislike in your face ads on webpages which are security risks in themselves. But if it weren’t for ads and trackers we would of never had tv and probalby wouldn’t have an internet. We wouldn’t have this very google mailing list. Which keeps the trolls under their rocks!!
I never claimed to be special, but your egregious posts deserved a solid reply. And Google!? Rookie mistake.
Internet Corporations and Privacy Concerns
Come troll me here, don’t be scared of the google. Or are they restricting your shady tor node…
I’ve wasted enough time and energy on your fact-free reply. At least one good thing has come of this discussion – you might wanna recommend ‘grandma’ onionize those repos again… 
