Qubes - Host OSWhonix - Guest
Gnome 3 for Qubes - ok, but for guest need fast DE.
Gnome 3 will soon become even slower, and XFCE will fast, because it is an ideology of this DE.
So why waste time and energy on Gnome 3?
@Lana Appreciate your enthusiasm Unfortunately, it's not purely a question of speed. If it was, there would be no need for discussion. There are several criteria that need to be met:
Where does this leave us presently?
SMPlayer better than VLC and Totem.
Okular = Gwenview + Sumatra + LO
Calligra - a dead projectLibre Office - always a huge number of bugsKrita - only for artists
Kubuntu (KDE 5) x - last monthsy - rankx 12--6--3--1y 40 49 50 65
Not so long ago Kubuntu was in the top twenty.
Ubuntu GNOMEx - last monthsy - rankx 12--6--3--1y 52 66 59 80
66 - 16.04 LTS Release + migrated users from KDE
May I recommend adding something to the list @entr0py? The DE should be in the official repository as well as far as I'm concerned.
Adding to that, shouldn't we consider LXDE as well? Similar lightness to XFCE, but far more user friendly, at least from my point-of-view.
Have a nice day,
@Ego LXDE is superseded by LXQt which is based on Qt and KDE Frameworks 5.
I don't understand why. Can you please link to these views?
I think he refered to the opinions expressed here: https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2119
Most of the things mentioned in there however don't seem to apply to LXDE/LXQT, as both the interface and performance differ greatly.
Qubes btw won't care which DE will be used by Non-Qubes-Whonix. Haven't heard that. And since no one here was too exited about GNOME, we don't have to ever use it. (Please correct me if I am wrong.) So for Non-Qubes-Whonix I'll be looking into configuration of gnome vs xfce.
Qubes does care about the default applications selection however. Not for Non-Qubes-Whonix, only for Qubes-Whonix, but I got to keep the maintenance overhead low so I cannot make it too different supported sets of default applications.
Are these the only choices for Non-Qubes-Whonix?
Looks better? What about Gnome Flashback instead?
And likely available in Debian stretch. Perhaps it's https://packages.debian.org/stretch/gnome-session-flashback.
LXQT - I lost hope for this project, the development of this project, just like a snail crawling, just forget it
Patrick, I can not understand why need to use large and slow Qubes as Host OS, if we can create our own lightweight and ultrafast Host OS based on Debian Mini? Whonix-Installer.
I think interface of the Windows 10 is the best for today.
Can be anything suitable.
That is out of scope for this thread.
Asside from the fact that that is extremly hard to do (virtualization is very hardware specific), it would be extremly hard for a project like Whonix to create a secure implementation of said virtualization like Qubes has done. Adding to that a "Whonix only OS" would require a custom desktop enviroment, to accommodate the multiple VMs based concept.
Regardless of the fact that that is very subjective and debatable, that wouldn't be legal either due to copyright laws.