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Suggest Trustworthy Tor Hidden Services as Time Sources for sdwdate


#21

killyourtv.i2p.xyz seems good.

torch, no, it advertises clearly illegitimate [in most countries] services.

Next time please don’t remove the newline at the end.


#22

Most services are still online, but also quite a few are now broken.

Anyone feeling awesome to update our config?

usr/share/sdwdate/unit_test
Starting remotes check...
pool 1 url znig4bc5rlwyj4mz.onion: 1473797811
pool 1 url vtjkwwcq5osuo6uq.onion: connect error: 0x04: Host unreachable
pool 1 url y6xjgkgwj47us5ca.onion: 1473797811
pool 1 url strngbxhwyuu37a3.onion: connect error: 0x04: Host unreachable
pool 1 url swdi5ymnwmrqhycl.onion: connect error: 0x04: Host unreachable
pool 1 url dqeasamlf3jld2kz.onion: 1473797811
pool 1 url pubdrop4dw6rk3aq.onion: 1473797811
pool 1 url v6gdwmm7ed4oifvd.onion: 1473797811
pool 1 url vbmwh445kf3fs2v4.onion: 1473797811
pool 1 url poulsensqiv6ocq4.onion: 1473797812
pool 1 url tigas3l7uusztiqu.onion: 1473797811
pool 1 url gawker5oxtsc6fa7.onion: 1473797811
pool 1 url n572ltkg4nld3bsz.onion: 1473797811
pool 1 url udrciweihl4qe63p.onion: 1473797811
pool 2 url atlas777hhh7mcs7.onion: Timeout
pool 2 url compass6vpxj32p3.onion: 1473797821
pool 2 url globe223ezvh6bps.onion: 1473797821
pool 2 url w6csjytbrl273che.onion: 1473796674
pool 2 url ak2uqfavwgmjrvtu.onion: 1473797821
pool 2 url acabtd4btrxjjrvr.onion: 1473797834
pool 2 url 5r4bjnjug3apqdii.onion: 1473797821
pool 2 url ppdz5djzpo3w5k2z.onion: 1473797862
pool 2 url pltloztihmfrg2sw.onion: connect error: 0x04: Host unreachable
pool 2 url w6csjytbrl273che.onion: 1473796674
pool 2 url abkjckdgoabr7bmm.onion: 1473797821
pool 2 url 5r4bjnjug3apqdii.onion: 1473797822
pool 2 url bqs3dobnazs7h4u4.onion: 1473797821
pool 2 url fkut2p37apcg6l7f.onion: 1473797821
pool 3 url 3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion: 1473797831
pool 3 url dju2peblv7upfz3q.onion: 1473797963
pool 3 url msydqstlz2kzerdg.onion: 1473797829
pool 3 url uj3wazyk5u4hnvtk.onion: 1473797842
pool 3 url bitmailendavkbec.onion: 1473797772
pool 3 url wi7qkxyrdpu5cmvr.onion: 1473797831
pool 3 url ic6au7wa3f6naxjq.onion: 1473797831
pool 3 url nzh3fv6jc6jskki3.onion: 1473797833
pool 3 url cwoiopiifrlzcuos.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url zsolxunfmbfuq7wf.onion: 1473797831
pool 3 url yfm6sdhnfbulplsw.onion: connect error: 0x04: Host unreachable
pool 3 url xpgylzydxykgdqyg.onion: 1473797831
pool 3 url zsolxunfmbfuq7wf.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url 5jp7xtmox6jyoqd5.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url zsolxunfmbfuq7wf.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url zsolxunfmbfuq7wf.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url j6uhdvbhz74oefxf.onion: 1473797831
pool 3 url 7lvd7fa5yfbdqaii.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url timaq4ygg2iegci7.onion: 1473797831
pool 3 url 344c6kbnjnljjzlz.onion: 1473797831
pool 3 url fncuwbiisyh6ak3i.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url wlchatc3pjwpli5r.onion: 1473797831
pool 3 url nodd5fyasyj4jqgp.onion: 1473797831
pool 3 url qubesosmamapaxpa.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url intelexi7yo7mj7j.onion: 1473797831
pool 3 url libraryxobbrbj33.onion: 1473797831
pool 3 url earthqfvaeuv5bla.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url m4dcywym6p6poxdm.onion: connect error: 0x04: Host unreachable
pool 3 url lqdnwwwmaouokzmg.onion: Parsing HTTP header date failed.
HTTP header data:
HTTP/1.0 200 OK
Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Content-Length: 11325
pool 3 url toristinkirir4xj.onion: 1473797803
pool 3 url j7652k4sod2azfu6.onion: 1473797831
pool 3 url infotombjhy7tcrg.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url 52g5y5karruvc7bz.onion: 1473797831
pool 3 url x3nelbld33llasqv.onion: 1473797831
pool 3 url z5tfsnikzulwicxs.onion: 1473797833
pool 3 url icxe4yp32mq6gm6n.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url qigcb4g4xxbh5ho6.onion: 1473797831
pool 3 url tgnv2pssfumdedyw.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url sdscoq7snqtznauu.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url rqef5a5mebgq46y5.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url klbl4glo2btuwyok.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url tngjm3owsslo3wgo.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url wgpfor5jgme64kwr.onion: connect error: 0x04: Host unreachable
pool 3 url 54nujbl4qohb5qdp.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url ebxqgaz3dwywcoxl.onion: 1473797831
pool 3 url yz7lpwfhhzcdyc5y.onion: 1473797831
pool 3 url fqnqc7zix2wblwex.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url wcgqzqyfi7a6iu62.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url vt5hknv6sblkgf22.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url dgvdmophvhunawds.onion: 1473797831
pool 3 url ogv7c7bfy2s6rx3b.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url gbinixxw7gnsh5jr.onion: 1473797831
pool 3 url krkzagd5yo4bvypt.onion: 1473797831
pool 3 url hzmun3rnnxjhkyhg.onion: 1473797831
pool 3 url expyuzz4wqqyqhjn.onion: 1473797831
pool 3 url b5tearqs4v4nvbup.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url 5j7saze5byfqccf3.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url 6f6ejaiiixypfqaf.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url 4ypuji3wwrg5zoxm.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url bcwpy5wca456u7tz.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url f6syxyjdgzbeacry.onion: 1473797831
pool 3 url ammd7ytxcpeavif2.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url ynr7muu3263jikep.onion: 1473797838
pool 3 url 4do6yq4iwstidagh.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url ugw3zjsayleoamaz.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url zdfsyv3rubuhpql3.onion: 1473797833
pool 3 url eeblrw5eh2is36az.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url 3m2tlhjsoxws2akz.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url gmi5gld3uk5ozvrv.onion: 1473797834
pool 3 url 465rf3c2oskkqc24.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url vral2uljb3ndhhxr.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url ktqxbqrhg5ai2c7f.onion: 1473797836
pool 3 url f7bphdxlqca3sevt.onion: 1473797836
pool 3 url nwvk3svshonwqfjs.onion: 1473797836
pool 3 url ythg247lqkx2gpgx.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url vwakviie2ienjx6t.onion: 1473797837
pool 3 url nbybwh4atabu6xq3.onion: 1473797836
pool 3 url oscbw3h7wrfxqi4m.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url vyrxto4jsgoxvilf.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url ohusanrieoxsxlmh.onion: 1473797836
pool 3 url cmgvqnxjoiqthvrc.onion: 1473797835
pool 3 url y5framonnh2o2gjb.onion: 1473797836
pool 3 url tpez4zz5a4civ6ew.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url fkbjngvraoici6k7.onion: 1473797836
pool 3 url tz4732fxpkehod36.onion: 1473797836
pool 3 url 5nca3wxl33tzlzj5.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url gnvweaoe2xzjqldu.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url 6nvqpgx7bih375fx.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url 3c2rjwn2worxveug.onion: connect error: 0x04: Host unreachable
pool 3 url ynvs3km32u33agwq.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url sgvtcaew4bxjd7ln.onion: 1473797836
pool 3 url qqvyib4j3fz66nuc.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url gl3n4wtekbfaubye.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url sejnfjrq6szgca7v.onion: 1473797832
pool 3 url lljrzrimek6if67j.onion: 1473797836

sdwdate and sdwdate-gui development thread
#23

IMO before de-listing anything we should compare test outputs a few days apart to confirm this isn’t temporary down time.


#24

Yes, let’s do that.


#25

Down 3 days ago.

pool 1 url vtjkwwcq5osuo6uq.onion: Timeout
pool 1 url swdi5ymnwmrqhycl.onion: Timeout
pool 1 url v6gdwmm7ed4oifvd.onion: Timeout
pool 1 url gawker5oxtsc6fa7.onion: Timeout
pool 1 url n572ltkg4nld3bsz.onion: Timeout
pool 2 url pltloztihmfrg2sw.onion: Timeout
pool 2 url abkjckdgoabr7bmm.onion: Timeout
pool 2 url bqs3dobnazs7h4u4.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url bitmailendavkbec.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url yfm6sdhnfbulplsw.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url xpgylzydxykgdqyg.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url 344c6kbnjnljjzlz.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url fncuwbiisyh6ak3i.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url nodd5fyasyj4jqgp.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url intelexi7yo7mj7j.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url m4dcywym6p6poxdm.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url lqdnwwwmaouokzmg.onion: bug
pool 3 url j7652k4sod2azfu6.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url x3nelbld33llasqv.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url qigcb4g4xxbh5ho6.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url wgpfor5jgme64kwr.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url 54nujbl4qohb5qdp.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url ogv7c7bfy2s6rx3b.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url 6f6ejaiiixypfqaf.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url vyrxto4jsgoxvilf.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url cmgvqnxjoiqthvrc.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url y5framonnh2o2gjb.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url 6nvqpgx7bih375fx.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url 3c2rjwn2worxveug.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url sejnfjrq6szgca7v.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url lljrzrimek6if67j.onion: Timeout

#26

Down today.

pool 1 url vtjkwwcq5osuo6uq.onion: Timeout
pool 1 url swdi5ymnwmrqhycl.onion: Timeout
pool 1 url v6gdwmm7ed4oifvd.onion: Timeout
pool 1 url gawker5oxtsc6fa7.onion: Timeout
pool 1 url n572ltkg4nld3bsz.onion: Timeout
pool 2 url pltloztihmfrg2sw.onion: Timeout
pool 2 url abkjckdgoabr7bmm.onion: Timeout
pool 2 url bqs3dobnazs7h4u4.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url bitmailendavkbec.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url yfm6sdhnfbulplsw.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url xpgylzydxykgdqyg.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url 344c6kbnjnljjzlz.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url fncuwbiisyh6ak3i.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url nodd5fyasyj4jqgp.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url intelexi7yo7mj7j.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url m4dcywym6p6poxdm.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url lqdnwwwmaouokzmg.onion: bug
pool 3 url j7652k4sod2azfu6.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url x3nelbld33llasqv.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url qigcb4g4xxbh5ho6.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url wgpfor5jgme64kwr.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url 54nujbl4qohb5qdp.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url ogv7c7bfy2s6rx3b.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url 6f6ejaiiixypfqaf.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url vyrxto4jsgoxvilf.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url cmgvqnxjoiqthvrc.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url y5framonnh2o2gjb.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url 6nvqpgx7bih375fx.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url 3c2rjwn2worxveug.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url sejnfjrq6szgca7v.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url lljrzrimek6if67j.onion: Timeout

#27

Will be removed.

pool 1 url vtjkwwcq5osuo6uq.onion: Timeout
pool 1 url swdi5ymnwmrqhycl.onion: Timeout
pool 1 url n572ltkg4nld3bsz.onion: Timeout
pool 2 url pltloztihmfrg2sw.onion: Timeout
pool 2 url abkjckdgoabr7bmm.onion: Timeout
pool 2 url bqs3dobnazs7h4u4.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url yfm6sdhnfbulplsw.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url nodd5fyasyj4jqgp.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url m4dcywym6p6poxdm.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url lqdnwwwmaouokzmg.onion: bug
pool 3 url qigcb4g4xxbh5ho6.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url wgpfor5jgme64kwr.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url ogv7c7bfy2s6rx3b.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url 6f6ejaiiixypfqaf.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url cmgvqnxjoiqthvrc.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url y5framonnh2o2gjb.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url 6nvqpgx7bih375fx.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url 3c2rjwn2worxveug.onion: Timeout
pool 3 url lljrzrimek6if67j.onion: Timeout

#28

Some urls might still work, but not be usable for sdwdate nevertheless.

Broken example:

curl --head http://lqdnwwwmaouokzmg.onion/
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Content-Length: 6245

Functional example:

curl --head http://msydqstlz2kzerdg.onion

HTTP/1.1 405 Method Not Allowed
Server: nginx/1.6.2
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 04:28:08 GMT
Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Connection: keep-alive
Allow: GET


#29

Double checked. Removed a few fewer.


#30

Is it possible to use GET as well for the few ones that refuse HEAD?


#31

No, because it does not include the date/time.


#32

#33

Discussing criteria…

What web servers do you consider trustworthy, to take great care of
their visitors’ privacy, that are stable and that get great amounts of
traffic, and most important, are reachable over .onion as a Tor Hidden
Service?

Quote @anonmos1

What about ones like this? http://fz474h2o46o2u7xj.onion/

I assume it has very little traffic since it is new but otherwise matches the criteria very well


#34

Quote @anonmos1

what about kkkkkkkkkk63ava6.onion and qubesos4rrrrz6n4.onion?

I am unsure about that. We already use them for apt-get updating. I wonder if that would open up for any anonymity attacks using the same source for time information as well as updates. (If we were to go by that argument, then we’d also have to remove Debian apt onion from the list.)


#35

Upcoming onionshare website onion. (Waiting for Micah’s reply.)


#36

HEADS is the Devuan TAILS clone and its trustworthy.

Adding Whonix and Debian HSes should not negatively impact anonymity since we already place high trust in these servers for updates anyhow.


#37

Upcoming? It is already here: https://onionshare.org/


#38

Please add.


#39

What should be the maximum a time source’s clock drift before we remove it from the pools?

(A good question asked by @anonymous1.)


#40

@Patrick:

Good question! What’s the average time drift that you have observed?

@anonymous1

Apart from the ones I pointed out, I didn’t observe any difference, perhaps 1 sec at most

I guess then we have the luxury to be picky about this. Then let’s use 1 sec drift at most.