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How whonix going to react with these actions?!


#1

1- if someone donate with 1 million dollar how thats going to help whonix and what achievements will be done with it?

2- what if let us say (and hope not) our friend patrick the government wanted him to stop the project or they just make him disappear (like many anonymous hackers in US jails specially). is whonix going to stop ? or there are other ppl who will still working on this project ?

3- what if a highly wanted terror organization (for e.g ISIS) found to be using whonix, is there going to be any cooperations with any government to give their identities? or betrayal the project anonymity to help the governments spying or catching them?

4- what if we have the opposite thing, if a highly wanted terror organization (for e.g ISIS) wanted to give a hand help with whonix project so does whonix accept this help and they don’t care what the ppl backgrounds are, since they are going to help the project? or whonix does care whom is helping it and its judgement made on who is behind the screen ?

(note*1: i have chosen ISIS because its really the highly wanted organization on the world for now , and they have experts in the technical field because i don’t know if you have heard the cyberwar thats going on in twitter,facebook…etc between cybercaliphat and the anonymous hackers…what i want to say here they are also having hacking team and for sure they gonna use an anonymous OS to save their identities. so thats why i have chosen them in my speech above.)

(note*2: and for sure from what i have said above doesnt mean i like them , all what im saying is a highly possible of happen , and also i hate to lie or discriminate someone even if i hate him, i just say what the reality saying )


Allow discussion anonymous pentesting in Whonix forums?
#2

I am not sure it’s a good use of my time going though theoretical considerations.

1- if someone donate with 1 million dollar how thats going to help whonix and what achievements will be done with it?
When was the last time someone donated 1 million dollar to some project? I guess it would be best to invest it to generate a basic income substitute. Let's one sleep better at night when basic needs are ensured to be kept care of. With less worries, makes work more efficient.
2- what if let us say (and hope not) our friend patrick the government wanted him to stop the project or they just make him disappear (like many anonymous hackers in US jails specially). is whonix going to stop ? or there are other ppl who will still working on this project ?
There are other people. If they would continue or not, who knows. If stopped caring to hide their real fascist faces, went into open totalitarian dictatorship state, I doubt tools like Tor would still be possible.
3- what if a highly wanted terror organization (for e.g ISIS) found to be using whonix, is there going to be any cooperations with any government to give their identities? or betrayal the project anonymity to help the governments spying or catching them?
It's a pretty negative view. It neglects those who are hiding from ISIS. Anyhow. To me, no laws apply that could force me to include a backdoor. Adding backdoors doesn't make sense, because then the good ones can be compromised as well.

I’d prefer shutting down the project rather than compromising it. I have a backup plan in mind. The next project could be a Linux distribution that focuses on usability without any default anonymity components. I was contemplating to add such an option to the build script anyhow. But forget about the backup plan as long as this is theoretic.

But if they use violence, I don’t claim to posses Rambo’s torture resistance abilities.

Somehow I don’t think they will to go the hard way. They can easily install hardware backdoors that injects malware while building when I am away. In fact, I am looking forward to receiving 500+ hours of video material from my own flat from the yet to be created Federal Commissioner for the NSA Records (similar to the old Federal Commissioner for the Stasi Records).

Somehow I don’t think they need to go the hard way. Backdoring a package that Whonix is based on would work as well. Look up “Debian OpenSSL debacle”.

Or they just use end-to-end correlation attacks against Tor.

They’re old. I would wonder if they haven’t figured out by now.

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4- what if we have the opposite thing, if a highly wanted terror organization (for e.g ISIS) wanted to give a hand help with whonix project so does whonix accept this help and they don't care what the ppl backgrounds are, since they are going to help the project? or whonix does care whom is helping it and its judgement made on who is behind the screen ?
If they are any sane, they'd probably create a pseudonym to send patches and wouldn't do under the official name to prevent the controversy.
(note*1: i have chosen ISIS because its really the highly wanted organization on the world for now , and they have experts in the technical field because i don't know if you have heard the cyberwar thats going on in twitter,facebook..etc between cybercaliphat and the anonymous hackers...what i want to say here they are also having hacking team and for sure they gonna use an anonymous OS to save their identities. so thats why i have chosen them in my speech above.)
For ISIS, I have several recommendations. Actually, I have so many recommendations, that I don't even know where to start.

Isn’t it convenient that “we’re on the side of the good ones” and “they are the bad ones”?

Certainly ISIS does horrific stuff, but there is a history to this, and the original cause are we.

For one, stop supplying ISIS with weapons:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/22/isis-us-airdrop-weapons-pentagon

Don’t discriminate bringing “democracy” to countries with a lot oil.

Stop being a fool by brining “democracy” while your own country does not even have a system of direct democracy, national level referendum.

Stop deindustrialization. Look this up “Deindustrialization USA”.

Take former US president Dwight D. Eisenhower exit speech on the industrial military complex serious:

It has never been addressed. It only got worse.

Make a system, that doesn’t collapse with the profits of armament deals.

Don’t fund both sides of a war:

Same video, listen to people talking clear text, not big media news:

Don’t overthrow democratically elected governments. Iranian coup:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/cia-admits-role-1953-iranian-coup

Greek coup:

Many more.

Bombing books. Drop leaflets and books with Atheistic propaganda. Perhaps also drop food, cloths and other basic stuff.

Educate general public about basics of science, evolution, chemistry and cosmology. The people need to be able to explain the wind, the rise of the sun, the orbiting of the sun and so forth. Then the best idea will prevail and undermine flawed ideas about creationism and so forth.

Talk to people working for big media in person. Talk to an (ex-) professional cutter or so. Ask how much truth there is in big media.


#3

yep all what you have said true , and i feel the same about it. i have read most view-able and interested documents in tor and whonix regarding security limitations and i know there is no safe place in the internet because at the first place they (US military) didnt designed it for the anonymity.i have found this image give an visual explanation summary on how tor traffic analysis working:-


#4

yep i was once a time similar to you collecting old documents and videos to understand why ppl are doing these things right now.but i think you have missed one major criminal upon all of these major actions and they are working in hidden areas (or thats what they are trying to do) and no one exposing them to the news or media or even porn websites, they are the zionist.read about them and see how did they took the rules in US and why they are spreading the pornography all around the world and why they think they have the right to take the whole world under one umbrella working only with their commands …etc.

since we are humans i dont think ever we gonna unites on one place or idea and who ever thinks it gonna happens his thinking will not exceed a baby dream. we help each other because we are getting uses from each other (the old equation i give you this and you give me that).but what if the equation going to be like this: you give me this but i cant give you that or i dont have it ??

thats why we gonna clash and fight. because how pure you are the rest of the ppl are not similar to you.its similar saying:- “look at your hands, your fingers are not equals”

but if the fingers are equals the hand functionality will be withdrawn. so the only way of making your hands function when there are fingers highest variations… the subject has too many and different points views but all what i can advise is:-

1-dont ever think humans going to be gods in anyway. what i mean by this, the NSA and all gov. agencies with what they have got its impossible to monitor over 8 billion human on this earth and control who they want to control this is not the case at all. FBI cant till now finding criminals that they are known in their crimes from 20s years ago.

2-dont ever think the numbers of ppl and properties that they have will make them impossible to break. no, in this finite world everything is possible and how many ppl we know upon the history they stand alone against 100s of ppl to say one truth word and they are till now considered to be the heros of the world.

3-US has the latest military technology and their spies and knowledge technique can get who ever in their way isnt that what most ppl think?? => wrong! , because if thats so then no objectors would exist at this moment. but the fact most countries of the world are not in peace with US gov. even if they are shaking hands and smile on the tv. (fiction)

4-no one is smart when using violent because even if the plan worked at the first place then thats what was the smart idea for (is to work at the first place and thats it) but the smart idea did not has the knowledge of what will happen in the future after making it. (thats why we have ISIS after the US invaded iraq thoughting thats going to balance the powers in the middle east to protect israel from saddam but there is now worse than him with using violences and not just threatening the US milk feeder israel but the whole world. i tell you what they wish now the time back to 2003 and change the history that they are seeing it now).

…etc

sorry if i did make this topic looks long to read. but im very thankful to you for sharing your feelings but know that even when im smiling with you that doesnt mean i dont have life problems.

(always look at the ppl beneath you and see how high is your position, dont look at the ppl above you to see how worthless is your position)

best regards friend…